From Chemicals to Comfort with Lisa Patten

A fabulous chat with Lisa Patten, who is co-owner of Sud-Woofa's Dog Wash in Wodonga and also Ascent Health.

Lisa speaks about her personal experiences as a dog groomer and how she integrated essential oils into her work with her 'tricky' dogs, and ultimately moved to swapping out chemical products in her home with aromatherapy based ones for her families health and wellbeing.
There's a side story that goes with this too, an auto immune disease that Lisa deals with ongoing, that is deemed to be connected with chemical build up in the system.

Lisa says, "That is my non-negotiable with Young Living, it's the cleaning products that I use Young Living for every month." She goes on to talk about specific essential oils she used to boost her immune system and treat her skin condition.
"It (the oil blend she speaks about using) did more for me, did more for my skin in a month than every doctor had done for me in six months."

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Hello everyone, I have Lisa Patton with me today and we've got up very early in the morning to do this, and Lisa and I, I don't know if you can see in her background, there's a shelf with heaps and heaps of different essential oils. That's how we met - through the oils. She knows somebody who was helping out my mum, and my mum was telling me about this lady she'd met who did Young Living, and I was like, what? I have to know this person.

So I whizzed around to Lisa's place and smelt all her oils. And basically we've been friends ever since. A couple of full on aromatherapy people. Yeah. And Lisa is very experienced with aromatherapy. She has lots of amazing things that she has going on, so welcome Lisa.

Thank you. Thanks for having me.

It's great. It's great. I can't wait to get into this conversation actually, because I've always loved oils, but you are really the one who put me onto going chemical free in the house.

So it would be great for people to know how you got into aromatherapy and what your journey with this has been. So can you sort of share that?

So I suppose I don't really classify myself as into aromatherapy. I kind of just love oils. I accidentally found them. I was a dog groomer. I've been a dog groomer for about going on five and a half, six years. And I had actually a reputation for being a dog groomer that dealt with really difficult dogs. And I sort of just get an innate sense with an animal.

Some dogs are just super grumpy because they think they're the boss and don't want you to groom them. Other dogs are just absolutely terrified. And I seem to be able to read that and sort of work with them accordingly. But I had this one dog, I just could not get anywhere near. A couple of strips down its back, it would start screaming. And it was a kavuna, it was in for being groomed.

every six weeks or every eight weeks for the rest of its life. So, and I tried everything. I tried rescue remedy. tried doing, even tried sitting in the car and doing the meditation before I went in because I realized that sometimes my energy affects the dog's energy. maybe that's it. And I'm thinking, I'm dreading this dog. But I've tried everything I could think of with this dog. And then I went to the Aubrey Psychic Fair.

and this lady said to me, I was one of the stalls there, and she said to me, try my oil. And I was like, yeah, okay. I smelt the oil. It was a bottle called Stress Away. And I just love it. It's a combination of lime and vanilla, and it's just beautiful. My two favorite smells. And I thought, well, I'll buy the bottle anyway. I really didn't have high hopes. But a couple of weeks later, I had this dog and I thought, that's right. I had this bottle of oil.

I shot off the Kmart, what I was a little $5 diffuser, put it in my trailer and I put a couple of drops of stress whale. And then I grabbed this dog and I managed to clip the entire dog down to the elbows. So without a noise, the owner actually came out to the trailer to see what I'd done with the dog. And she's like, what have you done to my dog? And I was like, I have no idea. And I was like, this is trippy because I've been working with this dog almost a year.

and nothing worked. And I thought there's something in these oils. So I started investigating Young Living and I started gathering the smells. As you can see, I gathered the smells. But I suppose, yeah, that's probably how I started in Young Living. That's how I started using oils. And then the education came after that.

Yeah. So it was the dog grooming first and then it was just a sort of a slower transition, although I don't know that you do anything slowly, you? I try not to. I try to move with the flow. Yeah. Yeah. So in terms of, so you use the essential oils in the house.

for mood as well as... Yeah. I suppose, like you say, I don't do anything slow. So within the first week of using that Stress Away and getting it, I'd already organized a meeting with the lady who sold it to me, education on all these different oils and what they do. So straight away, I had diffusers running in my house. And yeah, and I suppose...

There's a bit of a side story to this because at the same time, had just, I just got married. So the years, the eight months leading up to our wedding, I had been chronically dieting. I lost almost 20 kilos. I was working for 70 hour week in the dog grooming trailer. And my husband decided that a month out from the wedding,

be a really great idea to climb Mount Bogom. So in all my ignorance I was like yeah sure, I didn't realise it was going to absolutely strip my body of the last reserves I ever had left and I actually went into adrenal failure. after the wedding when I stopped because we took, excuse my dog, after the wedding when I actually slowed down I collapsed. ended up getting

lump on my lip which they thought was a cold sore then they thought it was a vected cold sore then they did a biopsy on it and they decided it was cancerous so then came all the chemotherapy cream that they were putting on it which actually made it spread to the whole lower half of my face and then I said to the dermatologist I can't keep doing this cream this is this is nasty and she's like no just persevere and I'm like

I'm not doing this. I turned up at her office and she saw my face and she's like, no, don't do that. Like we need to stop. So another month of slowing all the actual old skin off that this chemo cream had basically killed. Yeah. And then once she managed to slough that all off, like in painstaking processes, she did another biopsy and turned out that I had now got pinfegas.

So, Pemphigus is an autoimmune disease that attacks the mucous membranes of your body. So, I was very lucky it started in my mouth or in my... I still have it constantly in my throat, ebbs and flows, but I was very lucky that I caught it when we did. that was purely from adrenal fatigue and absolutely pushing my body to the limit.

Yeah. Then everywhere I read when you're looking at these chemical, these natural things, they're saying that all these things are chemical build up, you know, and so, and Young Living have the most amazing cleaning range that as much as I have oils here, and I have oils for all sorts, my cleaning is what I use Young Living for every month. just, that's

That is my non-negotiable with Young Living is the cleaning products. So have you noticed a difference since you've know, since you've gone sort of chemical free with the cleaners and things? 100%. So I use the oils originally to support my immune system. specific oils, Northern Lights Black Spruce, Peppermint. I use Peppermint on my lip. It helps heal it. Massive lavender on my lip.

It did more for me, peppermint and lavender did more for my skin in a month than every doctor had done for me in six months. So, and I walked around with a ginormous cold floor on the entire bottom of my lip for almost a year. And I feel sorry for me, but my husband had to look at me. So, a little bit sorry for him. That's love. about the kissless year. no.

But yeah, I there was, I can remember going to a chuga one mother's day and everybody being given a glass to try their port and they wouldn't even give me a glass. It was just, and I feel for people that have, you know, really obvious kind of illnesses like that. It's, yeah. The people like Mark. Yes, but there came education and there came knowledge and

And since then, you know, I found out that synthetic buildup in your life is just such a bad thing, you know, and it's getting that out of my house has changed the life of not only me, but my husband and our family and even our dogs, you know? How do you use the oils with your dogs? lots of ways. So tell us, tell us straight away.

the cleaning. Like when you use spray and wipe and you, I was a candle freak. Like back in the day I would, you know, I'd bleach everything and I would have candles burning in every room and I'd be smelling the smells going, everything smells clean and fresh and rarely fragrant washing powders. And I, and I always thought smell equals clean. And that is such a fallacy. It's so wrong.

Actually, we have to get used to not having smells so strongly in our homes. As soon as you walk down, as soon as I walked down the cleaning aisle, splitting headache, it's just instant. Washing powders, my daughter came and stayed for a couple of days and the smell from her washing powder, I almost had migraines. It was like shocking. So getting rid of fragrance, getting out of your house, that was a huge one. And when you think about it,

You clean your floors with, you know, pinecline or a bit of bleach or domestos or whatever you're cleaning your floors with. Your pets walk on that. We have cats, we have dogs, you know, they walk on that. The cats lick their paws. They are licking domestos or pinecline straight into their body. You know, the rates for cancer are ginormous for animals, you know? And it's, lot of it is to do with the products that we have.

They sit in our washing that has fragrance on them, you know, like it's just leaching. So that was the first thing is getting rid of these cleaner substituted everything that one bottle of these. So they have a nice fragrance though. So what's the difference between the fragrance in the in the things in the supermarket and the fragrance in these? It's not synthetic. And that's the word. It's synthetic. So

manmade stuff is just not good for us. It's, you know, if you can eat whole foods, it's better for us. If you can, you know, eat an orange versus, you know, take a vitamin C pill that looks, tastes orange. mean, the comparison is right there. And, know, when we eat an orange, we have the fiber. So it's the same as our cleaners and what is our products in our homes. They can't, they do not disclose what's in them.

They have, you know, tatcho-doodle-doo. That's right. They cannot understand it. That's right. But they don't even need to disclose it. They put it down as a recipe. Half the products don't even have. And I think we all, well, I did especially in the beginning when I went to the supermarket, I did that with the understanding that all these products are safe for our consumption. They wouldn't be on a shelf if they weren't safe for our consumption.

And unfortunately there is no such testing. There's no such accountability. I made this new product. Let's throw it in. There was triclosan. It got a really bad rap about five years ago. Everybody started being aware of triclosan and they were like, it's enhanced sanitizers. It's in this, it's in that. Triclosan is only used in Australia and New Zealand now. Every other cap tree in the world has banned it except for

Clean Green New Zealand and Australia. And lo and behold, when Triclosan got a really bad rep, they took it off the market, they rebranded it as Microban and reintroduced it to 2000 new products. It's even in paint. So, you know, and now it's like antibacterial free paint. And I'm like, my God, this is the same product rebranded.

So no care and responsibility for us. Zero. is nothing. And as consumers, we're just sitting blind. We just have this blind faith in the process of products. And there is no accountability. There's no respect. There's, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. It's interesting, isn't it? I think.

I mean, we were actually raised to trust that we would be taken care of and guided. And it's definitely not the case. We've certainly seen that in so many ways in recent years. We have to be self-aware and responsible for our own health and wellbeing. And I really think you need to start listening to your own energy. You need to listen to your own body. I mean,

There's times when I think, okay, peppermint for a headache or, you know, we haven't had painkillers in our house for six years. Just don't need them. You know, there's times sometimes when you've just got to drink a bit more water. You know, it's not always the fastest solution, but, but yeah, I think too, there's times when you just need to listen to your body and I'll just go and grab an oil. don't even know what it is. And I just think, okay.

My body obviously needs that today or I play with it. quite often, know, a couple of times a week we'll get three oils out and I crack the lids. Dogs have an incredible sense of smell. So they have really high smell receptors way more than we do. So I go and get three bottles. I'll just pick random three bottles and I crack the lids of all three and then I put them down, space them out about half a foot apart on the set in our house.

And Sarge comes up and he sniffs one and then he sniffs the next one, he sniffs the next one. And then he'll sit and he'll point at one. And I put a dab of that on my hands and I rub it all over his fur. And that's his oil for the day. he's, it's, wow, it's fun. I'll let my dogs pick what oils they want, you know? That's a way of playing with them. know, it's just. Sarge is beautiful. He's a, what's his breed? He'll breed Rock Walla. Yeah.

Yeah, he's humongous. He's like the sergeant major rather than sergeant, isn't he? Yeah, that's right. Well, that's a very clever. It's funny, they young living have an old called live with passion. And when we first got Sarge, he was, we got him at 10 months old and he was very nervous and he just quite anxious, very nervous, especially when people came. And I started playing with these oils to try and help him. And I sort of thought,

that peace and calming or stress away, which are brilliant for working with animals, would be his kind of go-to. And one day I just grabbed this Live With Passion oil and he just, that's his oil, he loved it. And I was like, and it was almost like I got the sense that when I put that oil on him, he was so excited about being that he forgot about worrying what was going on around him. And when I have,

Like we've got a concrete to come into our house in a couple of weeks time. I'll be putting that on him because it creates him in the moment and he forgets about being worried about this weird dude with a funny hat on. But that blew me away that he was so, it changed his personality. It turned him into a puppy. was so That's amazing.

Yeah. All right. So what about other products? So you've got, you know, just thinking about things like deodorant, underarm deodorant and shampoos and conditioners and toothpastes and things like that, that we use every day. How does that compare from a chemical perspective?

So toothpaste and the cleaning product, the Thieves Cleaning products. So yes, love the oils, but the Thieves Cleaning products, the Thieves House toothpaste are the two I switched out first. So basically I just looked at my house and went, okay, what do I use in this room? What can I switch out? And we started in the kitchen because the Thieves Cleaner does so much. It's window cleaner, it's degreaser, it's...

just depending on the dilution rate. People talk about, is it co? It's that water-based one. The water-based kind of foam one. Well, is, Thieves is so much better because it has a beautiful kind of, it's almost spicy, cloying kind of smell. It's very warm, beautiful. It's lovely. But the toothpaste, straight up there. $17 for a tube of toothpaste. Yeah, it's a bit expensive.

But when you look at the products that are in our toothpaste, Colgate toothpaste, the things it does, the children's one especially, causes epilepsy, the list is this long. yes, Colgate do not care. They just do not care. And it's really funny because on the tube it says, do not swallow.

So they're saying that they don't care because this product has not been ingested. It's not been swallowed. Every child I know.

And if you're about to have a heart attack, what do they do? They put something under your tongue because it's the fastest way to get it into your bloodstream sublingual. So when you're brushing your teeth and it's all sitting under your tongue, it's actually being absorbed straight into your bloodstream. Toothpaste, first thing I switched out, 100%. Wow. And I use it on my dogs. OK. So rather than getting doggy toothpaste, you use...

Yeah, the thieves one. The ones, two of them have xylitol and so I don't use that because xylitol you can't give to dogs but one of them doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So which one doesn't? pressing me now. sorry. It is early. It is early. I'll have to get back to you on that one. Yeah, that's all right. No problem. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's not complicated. There are ingredients listed.

Yeah, so I've heard a lot about antiperspirant or deodorants. So what's your take on that? So Young Living make a range of deodorants, which I do use, but I actually use their toothpaste. really? Yeah, I do. So a pea size amount of their toothpaste

and a little bit under each. And I get very hot and sweaty grooming dogs. somewhere here it gets hot and sweaty. Yeah, I haven't had any issues. And even my husband does the same thing. So, yeah, it's just, it allows the body to perspire. This anti-perspirant thing is stops your body from perspiring and our body is meant to perspire. It's a way of getting rid of toxins out of our body. Yeah, but.

Toothpaste does that too. wow. I've never heard of that before. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. I probably would use toothpaste, you know, five days of the week and deodorant twice. Yeah. Yeah. I just mix it up. Which is one I grab first. Yeah right. Okay so...

Is Stress Away the one that you use the most? Like you've got a dog grooming, dog wash business in Wodonga. Are you diffusing, are you using the oils there? So in my shop I use the Thieves Cleaner for everything. I even use it as the disinfectant. We've got people around here using it in cafes. So when I was actively

promoting the product. had a couple of cafes that use these cleaner and they said their health inspections, which is brilliant. yeah. So they were even passing the health inspections. yeah, and these is brilliant at cleaning. So I use these undiluted in the dog grooming bath, each dog. It's a heck of a lot less toxic than it is than the actual

disinfectants that people use because they're all bleach based. Yeah. Yeah. so I use the things cleaner in the in the shop. use it for the floors. use it for my equipment when I'm cleaning all my flip my blades my scissors and I use the diffusers right throughout the salon. have four diffusers in my salon and I yeah depending on the dog purification is a great one for getting rid of smells.

that's so cool. And actually purification has a use of decreasing anger. yeah, if you've got a real shitty husband or something, something is like not quite, know, teenagers, diffuse some purification. It's really heart centered in it. And it actually diffuses anger. So quite often when

I've know I've got a dog that's a little bit higher maintenance, know, a little bit high energy. I'll have purification in the grooming area instead of the actual cell on itself. Peace and calm and stress away. And for dogs too, it's, I quite often will have diffusers around and if I know I've got a nervous dog coming, I put a drop of stress away on myself. So just to drop my hands, put it on my sort of, on my chest or.

my neck or something like that and when I'm going to groom the dog I'm like the diffuser so that's coming it off me so yeah. Yeah because I guess you're you're in their space. That's right. And so you're creating that little bubble. Yeah yeah and it's all about safety and security and you know feeling good. Yeah. You have people come and work with you.

And you're providing sort of a, it's a supported, can you talk about that things? I can't get my words out at the moment. So previously we were dog grooming. I was dog grooming for eight years and burnt myself out. So I sold the business and then Jez and I, my husband and I got into disability. So we created our own disability support business. So we did that. We've been doing that for three years. And about eight months ago I said to my husband,

let's get back into the dogs, but then get people with a disability to come in and work with the animals. So we have a whole range of different people that work with us. have people that just, with their hands get wet and furry, it puts them into an absolute meltdown. So they're the ones that color in and out with the dog on their lap, or they feed them treats or give them cuddles. We have people that come in and actively want to work and...

and brush the dog's tails and wash the dogs and dry the dogs and hand me tools and equipment. And some people, yeah, meet the clients and do the paperwork or do the computer. It's really, really cool. And it's, think the way animals work and the way people with a disability are very similar. People with a disability can't always read social, you know, facial cues or social, you know,

social cues, I suppose, they probably more read energy. This person's really grumpy today and this person's really happy today. So they read the energy also as an animal and they read each other's energy and it's so amazing to watch dogs that are a bit standoffish or, you know, just here on on sufferance, know, and one of our clients will come in and sit on the floor and this dog goes, hello, goes up and

sits on their lap and goes, yes, whereas you couldn't get anywhere near the store five minutes ago. know, like it was just, yes, I'll just, I'm just going to sit over here in my spot. But as soon as they see somebody coming in that they can read the energy of them, they meet their energy. It's, very fluid and it's very cool to watch. And I love every minute of it. And it's like the two best things of my world. wow. Wow.

I've been watching Sudwoof's Facebook page and the photos of, you know, your people who are coming in and with the dogs. It's so gorgeous. Yeah. And I'm getting now to do their own little Facebook post. So, yeah. It's a win-win for everybody. Yeah. Well, that's a good skill to have, isn't it? Yeah. Social media. Yeah. Beautiful. So.

What else do we need to talk about? sustainability. So, I mean, you know, I'm not exactly a greenie, but I'm a bit of a permaculture girl, which is part of the reason that I'm interested in this, you know, no chemical thing. Because I'm a bit anti-glycophate in the garden and all that sort of thing. So in terms of sustainability, young living,

I mean, we're not doing a promo on Young Living. This is really about the oils themselves, but because we both use that particular brand, that's why I'm talking about it. How do they handle sustainability and what's their sort of position on that? I really like the ethics of Young Living. So I think that's what sold me on that particular company. think like

Gary, when he was alive, had the most amazing ability to create some of the most beautiful blends, like Stress Away, that worked really well. And, you know, as an aroma freedom practitioner as well, that works really well. So when I worked with that, these oil blends are brilliant for doing that. They do what Gary intended. Sustainability is young living's ethics.

They're all about it. Their farms are over 50 years organic. There's no such thing as... So their property that they use for their farms must be completely organic for over 50 years before they plant or have been 50 years. They do things too. Like I went to Utah to see the lavender farm there. It was beautiful. And they talked about this. made a...

a corridor for the monarch butterfly. So this monarch butterfly travels through America, through all these different states. So Young Living actually went, and because of the new people, the buildings and things like that, the monarch butterflies were losing their little corridor of flowers and plants that they needed. So Young Living went and tracked their journey and replanted from start to finish an entire corridor.

for the monarch butterflies over, think it's a couple of miles wide or something like that. But yeah, over this whole path to maintain the pathway for the, they do things like that. So they do- is pretty amazing. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Because we don't think about that. We put a highway through and then there's all this land over there and these creatures are animals don't have any way to traverse our manmade structures. they, they're all about the universe and that.

and the world and being one with nature. And I just love that. And I think the ethics are just really cool. They actually had a shortage of oil. I'm trying to think which one it was, because they didn't have trees planted, like the sandalwood tree has to be 90 % dead. Other people will just chop a tree down. It's a sandalwood tree. it's chopped down. Gary's and Young Living's.

ethics, a tree must be 90 % dead before they chop it down. So they've got to wait for these trees 30 years to grow and then to die before they can touch them. know, so. Wow. Yeah. Not very, not very corporate business like, it? No, but they do good. They've got really cool planning. I'm probably my favorite oil is the Northern Lights Black Spruce. So

just a little thing if you ever go to Canada, you're allowed to help them harvest. So any person, whether you're a young living person or not, can just turn up at the door of the farm and just be escorted on, showing everything. It's complete transparency. There's no, okay. See, I spent probably in first six months of being involved in oils, ringing around and trying to find other places I could do that. Not one. Not one would let me on their property.

Young living is like yeah, turn up tomorrow like they open their doors their distilleries everything like yeah, come on have a look so they're very transparent but yes, so you can help harvest the things so you can go up to more than Canada and minus 40 degrees harvest the Spruce trees because they're taken at winter when all the sap is in the tree. So the dead of winter they chop these trees down and then

chop them all up and then take the oil. But the benefit they have is they have these spa pool, spa baths. So when you're staying at their lodges, after you've chopped the trees down, you go and have a spa and then you lie down. The manager of the farm was telling me when you lie down at the end, you have a spa and you come back and you lie down in the windows and they get a cylinder of Northern Lights Black Spruce Oil and they put it and they make a prism of it through the light, through the window and they

let that prism of light go all over your forehead. And he said, it's not like a prism, it recreates the Northern Lights. So the sunlight coming through the Northern Lights, black spruce oil recreates the Northern Lights. How trippy is that? my God. That's so wonderful. yeah, that sounds... It's worth the minus 40 degrees, I reckon. I'd reckon. Yeah. That is incredible. It's pretty cool, isn't it?

But yes, he told me all about the sustainable farming and how they grow the trees and stages so that it took them 15 years to set up the Northern Lights, the Black Spruce Farm because they had to progressively plant. Wow. It's, I've looked at some of the blends that Gary Young created and

I have a real sense that he, I would call it channeled them, but I know he's quite religious. He has a different, he had a different wording for it. But my sense is that these were really basically God given. Divine recipes. do too. And I got there. The first time I really kind of smelt the oils, I felt like I'd come home. My soul connected to it. You know, it was just.

Yeah, this is actually God in a bottle. And I think he used to refer to that as basic, you know, this is, you know, God on earth. And, and they have, they should be very proud of their product because everything is done from seed to seed, they just, everything is done with complete care and consideration and respect and, and not just, not just to the oils like demonic butterflies and the birds are saving and you know, they just, yeah.

Hmm. Yeah, very, very interesting. It seems like I remember years ago, I think listening to an interview and hearing them talk about, you know, hunting and filling their freezer with meat that they'd, you know, basically wild harvested, eating from their garden in season. And those things just really spoke to me. Yeah. just thought

these people are living close to the earth. They get what they're doing. It's really good. Very, very good. Now, one last thing, if I may. People, hear a lot of people, I mean, especially now, people are all about, you know, cost, the cost of living crisis that we're in.

And I guess oils are not cheap because of the they're valuable. They cost money to produce and the time like you were talking about. So how do you deal with that initial outlay? Like what's your headspace around all of that? I have oils here like and a fair few of them. That's an eight year collection. This is not, you don't have to go out and buy one of everything in the first four minutes.

I think you start small and you just start by swapping a few things out. Our cleaning product, like Thieves Cleaner, I think it's $42 for a small 500ml bottle, but that makes over, I think, 80 bottles of cleaner. It works out to be something like $1.10 for a bottle of spray and wipe with no chemical synthetic.

in it at all. I can literally spray my bench and lick it if I so you can. You know I mean so I'm keeping everybody safe for less than a bottle of spray and wipe at the supermarket. I know it cost me forty dollars originally and it's everything. It's the best window cleaner. Anyway so that is cheaper in the long run. It's just and my health

the amount of money I've spent on my health, it saves me so much money in that respect. But it is what it is. mean, the other thing I think too is I have a choice. I can buy a bottle of peppermint oil for $20 from Young Living and I have to wait three or four days for it to get delivered because they send it from the head office.

or I can go to Kama and buy a bottle of pepper and oil for $3. The difference with that is essential oils are such tiny, tiny little molecules that they get in past the blood brain barrier. So they're one of the very few things, there's actually a brain doctor in Sydney that's working with essential oils to do, to get into the brain. So essential oil molecules, tiny wee,

can pass the blood brain barrier. If you're going to go and buy a $3 bottle of pepiment oil from Kmart that will have a percentage of essential oil in there, what it's doing is the tiny, tiny little micro portion of essential oil in that pepiment oil is now going to drag all those synthetic products that it's snuggled up to in that bottle.

and it's dragging them past your blood brain barrier. So I have a real fear of using anything that says it's essential oils when it's synthetic, because the essential oils work because they get past that blood brain barrier. They get deep into our cells and then the body is allowed to work from them from there. If you've got essential oils, the air glade essential oils, whatever, that have been mixed with synthetics,

They are using, it is going to get the essential oil molecule and drag those synthetics into your body. I avoid them like the plague. just, have a real fear of that because I know how essential oils work and why they work. And they work because they get so deep within our cells, you know, and I don't want them dragging no junk with them. That's my bottom line. If I'm gonna use,

the goodness of that, it's going to be nothing but goodness. Yeah. Awesome. Thanks for having me. I'm really pleased to have you chat. It's actually been really fun. Yeah. So maybe we'll, I can see your cat in the background just in the corner of the screen. All right. We'll get on with our day. Thanks so much for your time. That's all right. Maybe we'll see you another day. Yes. All right. Beautiful. Thanks so much.

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