Horse Medicine with Margot Smith
An interview with Margot Smith who is a registered counsellor trained in Equine Assisted Therapy (EAT), a specialised health and wellbeing modality that includes horses and nature to help people learn, grow and heal.
Margot speaks about her own journey with loss, and how her horses offered a path to healing, that she could not have imagined possible.
Margot offers on farm therapeutic sessions with connection with the horses in a way that feels safe and right. She says that people from all walks of life are drawn to EAT, sometimes through curiosity initially, but she says it can really help with issues like depression, anxiety, grief, loss, trauma, mental illness, neurodivergence, addiction, relationships and general self-improvement.
If you want to check out Margots offerings or talk to her personally, you can contact her via www.pegasuswellbeing.com.au
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TRANSCRIPT FOR HORSE MEDICINE WITH MARGOT SMITH – DECEMBER 2024
Hello everyone. I'm very happy to introduce a lovely friend of mine, Margot Smith. Margot and I have known each other for, well, actually a very long time, isn't it Margot. It is.
I was kind of counting back the years and thought, wow. Yeah. Is it 20 nearly? It's nearly 20. I think it was 2006 when we were together. Yeah. On a course. Yeah.
So Margot and I did a Dru Yoga Teacher Training course together in Sydney in Kincumber. We travelled from the Albury area, how many times a year was it? Two? Two times a year or I felt like it was more. Yeah, it was for six days at a time. I remember that. Yeah. And it was three. It was. We used to live in. We had a course.
It was like a retreat. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So anyway, so that's how we know each other. And we travelled a couple of times up and down and we spent that time and we've been both been involved in Dru Yoga and we share the same friends in Dru because we studied together. But today Margot is going to share with us, well, I'm going to ask her lots of questions about horse medicine. That's what we're talking about. Because Margot is a horse woman and she is very well trained as an equine assisted therapist, or doing equine assisted therapy and of course she's a counsellor too. So of course I know very little about this, and I'm extremely curious about -I've just heard some fantastic stories actually about how, you know, doing the therapeutic work with clients and having the horses as part of that is just so incredibly transformative.
How does this work? Tell us about Equine Assisted Therapy.
Wow. Yeah, it's such a big field because in all the different countries, they kind of talk about it differently. And in Australia, it's a modality that's used as a therapeutic kind of model as part of a practice, maybe if you're a counsellor, an occupational therapist, social worker, psychologist, or someone working in the mental health field. Doing this training helps to bring, integrate the horse presence and also nature. Just the fact that it's not room-based and it's outside in nature brings its own kind of therapeutic effect. Yeah. And that, combined just provides such a rich source of, you know, like a resource for people to either build for themselves, or just having that experiential learning. It gets felt, you know, it's such a felt sense and all the senses are involved, more about coming into the body with an experience rather than talk therapy. So there's a lot of kind of different things that weave into the actual therapy sessions. And yeah, it's, it's a very popular and growing field. And I remember when I was teaching yoga and meditation, there was a part of me, actually, I went to a horsey retreat. And I was, you know, like, we were sharing about stuff. And I said, I'm in a dilemma, because I love my yoga and meditation. I love teaching it. But I love all the horse, you know, things that I do, and creating relationships with horses and getting to understand them better and become the type of person that a horse wants to hang around, you know, that was basically my big goal because horses will tell you through their body language very easily, whether they want you in their energy field or not. And I said, you know, I just love both these areas and you know, I feel like I have to choose which one, which one am I going to go into, which field? And then I remember a friend saying, why do you have to choose just join them together, like bring it together. And I'm like, my gosh, yes. And I hadn't really heard about the equine assisted therapy field very much, but that sort of sparked a seed that grew. And of course, as the universe provides, you know, the information and books and this is kind of before podcasts, before much social media or internet stuff. You know, somewhere, somewhere in my heart something was growing towards that area. Yeah.
So I guess you have to have horses obviously, and you, you've got a place, you've got your own place where you do the work with clients.
Yeah, yeah that, that again has been just a dream come true because it's not easy to own acreage, you know, now more than ever in the last few years with the property, you know, rising, and we lived in a property for about 12 years and this is kind of when I was getting interested. I still had little kids and I used to just dream about where I would put, you know, like a space to do yoga, and the horses, and you know, just had it all kind of figured out, but there was there were so many other limitations in that space where we were at the time and it wasn't until 2016 and all that time over the years, I kind of just used to look at the real estate, look at everything and go, how cool would it be? But there's no way I was gonna shift my husband from this kind of beautiful beef farm that he developed and it was kind of like a hobby farm for him. But unbelievably, we saw this place and unbelievably he agreed to move, you know, to try it out because I just kept saying I can see my dream happening here that, and it sounds funny, but when we first came towards the property, we had to cross a creek and so I just fell in love with the creek first of all, and then as we were climbing up the rise towards the property I could see all these rocks in the paddock and then that just made me, you know, go, my God, look at all the rocks. And my husband being a farmer was like, rocks don't make money. I know, they take up room where you could grow grass.
And I guess you could see yourself doing the warrior pose or crane or something on top of the rock.
That's it. Yeah. So wild. But anyway, as everything fell into place, we moved here in 2016, 2017. So you are at Wooragee, just outside of Beechworth and close to Yackandandah?
Yes, that was another part with the location because it was, our other place was over an hour to get to, kind of like the end of an area in the middle valley. And here there's, you know, there's options, you can just go either way, Wangaratta, Beechworth, Wodonga and Yack. There's just such a variety of places and people and the population is much more. Yeah. Available.
Could you describe for me, like if I was going to come and do equine assisted therapy with you. would happen? Like how does it work? Like. Yeah. Yeah. Well we'd have a little intake and a discussion probably over the phone or or a zoom and and get acquainted and and kind of find out what
what is drawing you to coming in, you know, could be a lot about curiosity. There could be something going on in your life, possibly relational or to do with mental health or physical health. It could be, you know, coping skills or there's so many things, but whatever it is in your life that is perhaps you're feeling like you need some resources or
or ways to adapt. That's a great way to kind of look at coming for a session to make it available for what your specific needs are. Because it is about a relational experience. you're having a, and I set it up in a way that it's going to be a safe relational experience. So whether you've had horse experience or not, no horse experience.
I can change the environment to suit you so that you safety is the first kind of big important aspect. So I'm going to come out to the property. You're going to meet me. Yeah. And we've already had a chat on the phone and I've sort of talked to you about whatever's going on for me just briefly. Because you're not doing a phone counselling session. It's more a come.
And how do you take me from there to interaction in the space where the horses are? Like what happens there? Yeah, it can look, it can kind of unfold differently for each person. But the main part is to kind of have an introduction to the space, to the environment and what amazingly happens, which I'm so blessed and used to my...
environment that I live here. And the first thing people notice is how peaceful it is. How quiet, there's no traffic, they can hear the birds, you know, they can feel the breeze. So before we even get anywhere near the back gate where the horses are, they've already started to notice and feel, yeah, feel the effects of the environment. Most people are coming from a busy place or a, you know, a town or a
a busy family life. And so I think that that's one of the most precious things that the Donington farm offers is that it's almost like stepping into a sanctuary or some kind of refuge. So we take notice of everything that is unfolding at the time. So it's kind of like a here and now process. we whatever is coming up for the person.
is like what is the juice, you know, that's kind of what we start to work with. So we might be able to talk about what that's like for the person to notice the quietness and the peace and where that resonates in their body and what they might usually feel, what's life like usually for them and you know. So by the time we get to
towards the back gate. I usually have the horses in their own space and it's quite a big area and there's trees, there's rocks and they're basically just doing their thing, you know, which is feeding. Yeah, they might be resting under the trees if it's a warm day or whatever. So I love to invite the participant to spend some time observing.
observing what they can notice about the horses, the environment, the interaction between them. And sometimes I might even up the ante a bit, you know, and put some hay out in the paddock and the participant will notice the interaction more about what's happening between the relationship with each horse, you know, like one that's
of more food oriented or dominant in a way of wanting that pile of hay and uses his body to let the others know. so right from the get-go there's this relational kind of experience happening in front of the person and they can get to understand what's happening in their nervous system when this is going on.
So we kind of go, how is that for you? Like when you saw that horse, that brown horse kind of kick his back legs out to say, go away. so even before we get in and the session might even happen without going into the horses. Do you know what I mean? Like if someone is like at their window of tolerance for themselves. And the thing is that awareness is what brings choice.
So if we're not aware or we just kind of barge in and beyond our own threshold, sometimes that's how we walk through life. But because we do like a safety and wellbeing check, and I talk about awareness being a safety mechanism, so having to be aware of your environment. And we're on a farm, there's...
There's other animals that are on the land and without trying to scare people about snakes and things like that. But it's actually just bringing people back into the reality of what our environment is like and what's happening in our inner environment. it sounds like, correct me if I've got this wrong, it sounds like you're getting people.
paying attention to all these details in the environment and with the horses and what's going on in their body and their reactions to what they're seeing and feeling is leading you or you're using that to invite them to explore their own personal stuff. Yes, it's amazing because
The more that I try to plan a session and think, I think this person will, you know, they will benefit from grooming the horse or, you know, leading the horse or whatever it might be, that always goes out the window because the horses almost intuitively, you know, just dictate what's going to happen. And it can be because of the environment themselves, you know, say if there's wind.
It's a really windy day. And a lot of people know or have seen horses that are a little bit more flighty in the wind, you know, and things kind of blow up. They're more vigilant. They're more like what's going on. So even the way the horses are presenting themselves. the way I like to look at it is your nervous system is meeting another being's nervous system. Now in the world of humans, we get so good at masking.
our nervous system or kind of like, you know, putting, yeah, just being inauthentic or incongruent. And, but for a horse, they can feel the energetic field of, of everything around them because for, you know, 6,000 years that's kept them safe. That's what they've had to survive with understanding what the environment is, you know, providing around them.
And with that tuned in sense, they can also feel if we're pretending to be safe or, you know, brave or whatever, because when there's an incongruence, they don't feel safe. And so when they don't feel safe, safety is the number one thing. They will do whatever it takes if, you know, they're healthy and they're free and able to move.
that they will do whatever it takes to remain safe. Now, of course, just like humans, sometimes they've been in an environment where that safety isn't allowed or provided for them, or they're not allowed to express themselves, you know, a lot of, like being a captive animal. So I'm talking about, yeah, really healthy,
horses, that's kind of the ethical way to work with this model as well. That the horses are mostly free so they can choose to interact with a person. of course safety comes into that as well. So it might be a matter of, and not every horse is suited to
this type of work. horses can still be observed like in a paddock or something if they're not attuned to being with humans and things like that. yeah, there's quite a process to go through to work out whether the horse is suitable and safe and also feels, you know, it's a two-way thing. It's really about the horse's wellbeing as well as the participant.
Yeah, no, I don't know where we went there. That's all right. I remember hearing somebody say that the horses actually do healing on the participants through by being close to them. What's your take on that? I feel like we can put it, we can project onto the horses a little about what we, you know, think might be happening or what we
want or desire to be happening. But I definitely feel that they are just being themselves. Like the horse isn't going, I want to heal this person. Yeah, but their presence and the fact that they are an energetic being with a huge heart field, electromagnetic field, much bigger, I can't remember whether it's six times bigger than it.
human, something like that. So they have, you know, this heart feel that when they feel safe, when they feel connected, when they feel calm, that's their healthy, well-being life. And they know how to get themselves back into that place. So if they're in that space, they might just feel drawn to somebody. Like an example is,
my beautiful Brumby who's not here with us anymore, but he was very skeptical and very reserved about interacting with humans. He's been like that all his life nearly, but something would happen to him when somebody was vulnerable, when somebody wasn't trying to tell him what to do or forcing a connection with him. If he was just left to be himself,
And for this example, I'm thinking it was quite amazing, actually. was sitting outside under the trees and the horses were in the area, but they were just, you know, further away. And this lady was telling me about her grief story and she was actually grieving for her parent that was going through dementia. And, you know, it was kind of that type of grief of
of the future and and the grief of the past that was no longer and anyway she was she was talking quite a lot but she was opening up and she was able to kind of articulate and then I can't I looked over and I saw Mr. Tits, my Brumby's name was and he kind of like just turned his head and looked a little bit interested and just on his own volition he walked over.
and this lady wasn't scared because she has horses so you know it was it wasn't like she was yeah getting scared or unsafe and he walked in front of her and put his muzzle towards her chest just like that and kind of looked a bit sleepy and then he put she had her hands in her lap and then he put his muzzle just so gently in her hands and then
kind of moved his head back a little bit and just like, just stood there holding space, just silent, beautiful. Now, I can't talk for myself, but this beautiful lady, just, she got really emotional about that. It was a release for her. And afterwards she said that was so healing. And it was like, like I was being heard.
like I was listening to her, I was present, but some being that, you know, that didn't need to come near her or show anything came towards her and just stood there and held space. Wow. So to me, that's the way the healing happens. And it happens kind of on their own terms. Sometimes the healing might be like a kick up the butt.
Literally. Literally. Yeah, because one beautiful participant was really trying to get very smoochy with one of the horses and he has boundaries about smoochiness. It's not a really smoochy, rootchy horse. And so she was kind of a bit shocked and she's like, what's he doing, you know, and, and we were talking about boundaries and
So for her, the healing came that she realized how she doesn't have good boundaries and how she needed to be a little bit more like this horse and create some boundaries in her life where it was okay to say no. So the boundaries are just about saying, you know, no, that's not okay. Or yes, I allow, you know, it's so much about consent.
consent as a human, consent as a horse. It's all, yeah, all that is really important to bring in as part of the process. Wow, that sounds quite incredible actually. And I'm just thinking about a process I'm familiar with where you have a little bit of distance. So,
almost with the horses, it's like, it's kind of like a third person is in the space, so to speak. And so you can see things from that distance. It's sort of just dropped in for me. I think. No, you're exactly right. Because through our training, we were, you know, taught that it's a triad. Like you have, it's like you've got two co-facilitators. Yeah. And
and the client, so the relationship is not only, and sometimes it takes the heat off having a relationship just with this, you know, person that's asking questions and that, and then there's the horse as well. So sometimes my job is just to be present and observe and then share back what I saw and then see what, you know, the participant felt or
or experienced from it. there's so much in that triad interaction. And it really helps with rapport building as well, having the equine partner. And there's a lot of trust involved also. The participant is learning and watching how I interact with my horse. So then there's...
like kind of modeling consent perhaps or modeling a boundary, modeling healthy relationships, healthy expressions, you know there's so there's so much that can happen in that space. That sounds amazing because a lot of the time we want X but we have no data to get X. So what you're saying about modeling for
the client to observe your interaction with the horse. That's, I mean, that's golden. Margot, what got you on this journey of, know, what took you into this sort of work? gosh. Well, I've been blessed to have horses for, you know, nearly 40 years. I kind of realised that they've just been out my windows, you know, whatever places we've lived.
Yeah, I grew up in the city. So I don't know, figure that. But funnily enough, when I was young, I used to pretend that my dragster bike or those bikes back in the day was my horse. Yeah. And I just would just be free. Like we lived in caravan parks and we lived in so many different places, but I was able to be free and ride wherever I wanted to on my bike. And that was my horse.
So even from this kind of city kid life, I associated horses with freedom. And fortunately I met a beautiful man that was a horse lover and owned horses. And I don't know whether the attraction was the horses or him. Don't tell him that.
I've met your husband, I'm pretty sure it wasn't the horses. Well, you know, as a young, how old was I? 18, 19 year old, you know, it became pretty smitten because he was a little bit like the man from Snowy River to me. And he's drives a bone and so and anyway, we both kind of developed a love for horses. I used to just want to
go to trail rides or go on the places where can hire horses for an hour. And I spent my teenage years doing that and even kind of just riding. I was friends with these sisters, my husband's sisters, and I'd do anything, go for a ride with them. And one day actually, my husband unbeknown to me was milking cows with his brother and I...
was riding down the road thinking I was pretty good and I promptly fell off. that night there was some social thing on and that was kind of our first meeting and he said, how's the ground? I actually learned to by hanging around him and his sisters in a little while, just developed such a love.
for horses and yeah, they've been in our life and with our children as well. But one of the big, huge turning points, I guess, was, I say turning points because it was something that I never would have thought would happen to us as a family. we had three daughters aged eight.
six and three at the time. And we were involved in a freak accident where our middle daughter Georgia was killed suddenly by a falling tree. And you know, that just, there were other people injured. I was injured. There was just this mixture of grief and disbelief and despair. Just, you know, our whole lives were changed forever that in that single moment.
And amazingly enough, I was supposed to be going with my horse on to a clinic that that day, that very day the accident happened. And the weather was so atrocious that the instructor called the door lock. And instead of going on that, on that to that clinic, we took the the kids to look at the snow with with another couple of families. And yeah, that's when the accident happened. So
It just was, I feel like I was just in a grief and trauma place for years after that. And one of my solace times was to just go out to where my horse was. And at first it was like, you know, I'm never gonna be able to ride you again. I'm never gonna be able to do anything that feels good anymore. Like life is over basically for me.
But then eventually I felt like just being with him was enough and, you know, just kind of being in his presence. eventually I noticed that, I think it might have even been 18 months after, was a long time after, that five, 10, 15 minutes would go by where I was involved with, grooming him or brushing him. And I had a moment of,
relief from my grief, you know, like where I wasn't thinking or having flashbacks or whatever, was totally in the present moment. And about the same time I started reading Eckhart Tolle books, you know, The Power of Now, and really starting to understand how healing the present moment is. And the horses are always living in the present moment. So they became kind of my mentors and my guides for being in the present moment.
Yeah that's kind of how I got interested in, I read some books about relationships with horses rather than, yeah developing relationships rather than a dominating kind of a you're the slave on the master kind of a relationship with horses and I became so interested in that especially after everything that I felt like they'd given me.
Can I ask you, is this an area like, so the horses have been really a journey for healing really for you and teachers to come into the now. Do you find that people who've experienced loss of some kind are the people who tend to come to you or come for equine assisted therapy or is it people from all walks of life with all backgrounds and challenges?
Yeah, it's interesting because I really feel like that's the area, grief and loss, mostly coming from my own lived experience that I can offer support and, you know, give that kind of place for people to hear with grief or navigate what's going on for them.
the universe works in funny ways and I'm actually just getting a beautiful variety of different people, clients that coming through from children with autism and you know mental health issues and young adults and then you know people my age or women. I think I've only I've only had one gentleman at the moment and yeah.
I'm really like just learning from people and participants and being open to that the horses don't care who we are and what we do for a living or what illness we have or what meant, there's no labels for horses. So when people just show up, it's about being a human and it's about, you
finding those ways to discover what calmness is to them, to discover what connection is, discover what compassion and self-compassion is, consent, I these kind of my C's, these beautiful words, and then collaboration. It just evolves like that because we're in our, we're in, yeah, we're there without the labels.
sometimes the labels can help give us a little bit of a guide to where we you know what we might need or whatever but nature and and the horses it's it's like none of that matters. It sounds just sitting here as you speak about the process that you that you're using it sounds so I don't want to say it sounds magical it doesn't sound magical it sounds
deeply respectful and gentle. beautiful. yeah that's, I like that Karen. I've never kind of thought of it in those terms as gentle and respectful but it is actually because so much of our world is about harshness and the doing, achieving and really I think we step into this place of
What's it like to just be? What's it like to be a human being instead of a human doing? Yeah, exactly. Now, I apologise in advance. This is a TikTokism. I was flicking through on my phone last night, just having a bit of downtime. And I think it was, is it Susan Sarandon or Sarah Sarandon?
Some famous actress anyway, beautiful, beautiful, fabulous actress. And it's just like this little clip and I don't know if it was an interview or a piece out of a movie that she was in, but it landed and it feels quite relevant to, you know, the conversation here. And she said to this, this fellow, she said, why do you think people get married? And, and he went, passion. And she said, no.
it's to be witnessed. wow. I just got cold shivers. Yeah. And it really touched me. She, she said, and that's why, you know, that's why it's popped into my mind because of what you've been talking about with the way, you get your clients to really tune in to what's happening and the feedback loop that is being provided. Yeah. She was saying, you actually make a commitment.
be present for the little moments with that person and they witness and are present for yours. And it's that's what leaves us isolated and stumbling isn't it when we've. we're missing out on that. Yeah. It brings to mind about Dan Siegel I don't know whether you've heard of his kind of explanation of attunement.
And it's being seen, being heard, being felt, you know, kind of getting gotten. Like I get you, I get you. And who can get you more than somebody that you develop an intimate relationship with? And it's kind of like, despite whatever personality traits we have, that commitment, like you said, to say, I'm gonna be here, I'm gonna hear you.
And things might change as the years go by, ultimately that's the place. we're social mammals, horses are social mammals. So actually in some countries, it's illegal to have a horse on its own, live on its own. Wow. It's so bad for their health and mental health, you know, and we're the same, aren't we?
You know, we don't, we're not meant to kind of be isolated and live on our own. And so for a healthy horse, they have their horsey partners and, you know, relationships with each other and they're all different relationships and kind of that bonding and yeah, there's so much they teach us just about through the way that they live. What does an enrichment mean?
a horse in Richmond, you know, means like having a variety of environments. So maybe some trees, maybe some rocks, maybe some hills and creeks or, you know, not a flat square paddock with a fence around it and nothing in it. you know, that to a horse isn't in Richmond. Like you're... right. It's like living in suburbia, isn't it, with one little row of pansies.
I won't say picket fence because I lived with a little picket fence for a while but looking at your you know soulful and wild that's exactly the essence of a horse and you know that that we or we have that essence within us as well that kind of you know yeah animal animal part of us that wants to be soulful and wild and and
we've domesticated the horses so much, taken so much of their kind of wild, wildness and soulful, you know, out of it. But there's nothing better than seeing the horses just going for it and galloping down the paddocks. wow. Yeah. Makes me think of, I used to live in Cancuner and I remember my neighbours
had all these boys and I remember watching, it's as clear as day right now, seeing this teenage young young man on this very feisty horse, an Arab actually, and just charging up this really steep hill, main going and it was full on, the whole hat, the whole deal. And I remember looking and going, holy shit, I'd love to be able to do that.
Like you could just, it was emanating this power. And it was, was beautiful. It's wild. Yeah. Yeah. Now I'm just thinking, now I love, I love your website. I've got to say I had a read of, some of your blogs actually. And, I wonder Pegasus wellbeing.
Where did you, I mean, I get the well-being, Pegasus. What prompted you to use that name? Just out of curiosity. Yeah, it was funny because I'd just been so drawn to it. And when we moved here, I printed out a picture of a Pegasus and I just stuck it in my office, you know, not having any ideas before I did the training or anything. So then when I was coming, you know, trying to sort out a name,
I remember seeing that picture and going, my gosh, is there a way I can bring Pegasus in? And the whole beautiful mythical horse that symbolises that wild freedom, but also with the wings, like a horse has got freedom when they run and use their legs, but add some wings onto a horse. They can go to any heights. That's kind of like the...
that possibilities, know, like what is possible and our limited mind or our limiting, you know, belief system or conditioning is stopping us to discover the wings like Pegasus and to fly above those limitations. just, I felt like that that's what I wanted to offer participants a way, because I feel like that's where my journey has been.
There is no, no, no way that you could have convinced me that life was gonna come okay again. You know, that I would find something that I'd love to do and be passionate about, that I would wanna live, you know, that I love life. I love my life. I love everything that there is about it, challenges or whatever it may be, you know. And...
And I've also got a spiritual relationship with my daughter now. And she's kind of like riding Pegasus up there, you know, and she's saying, go mum. And yeah, I feel like so many of us just stay stuck because we don't dare to imagine, we don't dare to create another vision in
know starts with our thoughts and our minds about what what could be open and possible for us and even you know the most traumatic history and pain and whatever we've gone through in life it doesn't mean we have to be a prisoner to that forever and and I feel the horses, I feel Pegasus is yeah leading the way. That is beautiful.
Yeah. We should finish on that note. That's awesome. Wow. Thank you so beautiful. Yes, thank you for talking about this. I'm, I think I'm going to end up on Donington Farm and try out a session actually. I was just going to invite you. I just thought, you know, you can't, it's just one of those things that you can't explain it until you've experienced it. Yeah. So I'd love you to come out.
That's a thing, I'm definitely going to do it. Have you ever had people actually cry when they are aware of that connection? When they feel or perceive that connection? When they show up in their body? Have you ever had anyone move to tears, I wonder? Yeah, it's...
like it's, it's very precious to be, it's almost sacred to be in the space with somebody that can feel that depth of connection and emotion. And, you know, sometimes it's a, it's tears of release and, know, sometimes it's tears of joy or recognition, you know, it's whatever it is to that person. And yeah,
I feel like a lot of people kind of write to me later because they need time to process what's happened and they go away and you know send me an email and go I really thought you know about it later and and and it just kind of connects the dots yeah but at the time it's so much it's happening in that present moment and yeah my god all right so Margot Smith
Thank you very much for your time. If anybody wants to jump in and experience this for yourself, I will be. www.pegasuswellbeing.com.au. It's just got the inner, Pegasus inner wellbeing. Pegasus inner wellbeing. Yeah, because somebody else had taken that one, so I had to put it in. Inner, inner wellbeing. I'm pretty sure that wellbeing happens on every level though.
that's right. Yeah. Yeah. All around us. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you.
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An interview with Margot Smith who is a registered counsellor trained in Equine Assisted Therapy (EAT), a specialised health and wellbeing modality that includes horses and nature to help people learn, grow and heal. Margot speaks about her own journey with loss, and how her horses offered a path to healing, that she could not have imagined possible. Margot offers on farm therapeutic sessions with connection with the horses in a way that feels safe and right. She says that people from all walks of life are drawn to EAT, sometimes through curiosity initially, but she says it can really help with issues like depression, anxiety, grief, loss, trauma, mental illness, neurodivergence, addiction, relationships and general self-improvement. If you want to check out Margots offerings or talk to her personally, you can contact her through her website www.pegasuswellbeing.com.au
