Why What You Wear Matters with Marie-Nicole Meunier
A great chat with Marie-Nicole Meunier prompted by her new ebook Empower Dressing. It was interesting to hear from her about things like;
the vibrational frequency of the fabrics she works with and wears
colour and energy
curating a wardrobe with flow
the symbology and intention of jewellery
Marie-Nicole is a well known Coach and Creative who works predominantly with women, supporting them to do business on their own terms, in fact she has a podcast titled 'Business To The Beat of Your Own Drum' which is also a good listen. If you're interested in getting a copy of Marie-Nicoles book for yourself, you can grab one on her website https://creatorsnest.com.au where she also has some rather cool creations! Thanks for spending time with us here. If you enjoyed this episode of the Show, please share it with your friends, and do subscribe to the channel. Till next time, stay wild! Karen xxx
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Episode Transcript:
Well, welcome everybody. I have Marie-Nicole Meunier here with me.. Meunier. A beautiful French-sounding name. It's so gorgeous. It matches you perfectly, really. It's just my pronunciation that's a bit like, oh, I was nervous.
It's okay.
Now, Marie-Nicole, I have known for a little while now, she is an amazing coach, and has many many skills and the main reason that I have invited her for this podcast today is I've just finished reading her book and I am blown away, I just absolutely love it and so I've invited her here today to talk about her book And the contents of that, to some degree, to give us a bit of an idea, I mean, hearing your story, which I had not known, was really great. And just the whole idea of what you wear and how that matters. Tell us what you can.
Okay, that's a massive open-ended question, but look it all intertwines and so that's where the layers of complexity over a lifetime have suddenly meshed in together. I have been a coach for a few years, certified officially, but have been advising people for many years, like I've mentored people in their own business, establishing their own business. As a creative, I am a maker and designer, and originally a photographer, and had my own business for nearly 10 years, so I've always been in these creative industries and having to do business to my own beat and create my own path. And so I mentored new people to business in that.
But my coaching, I actually went into more embodiment coaching and got certification in Dharma Coaching, which is finding your soul's purpose, because I am definitely not a cookie cutter…and I don't fit any molds. And even the fact that I make and designed clothing and make clothing, that was never my intention. My mum was a seamstress and I grew up sewing, but I really did think photography would be my lifetime career.
After having my second child, I just decided to do a job that I could actually do with children in tow. And that's where I brought back the making as my full-time work with children. I say full-time, I've always blended work with children being around.
So yeah, so embodiment coaching is kind of why the clothing has become so important because I ended up dressing to feel comfortable in my unique physique, which has always been apparent and and the fashion industry never geared clothing towards my physique. So I created my own. I decided from a very young age, I would try not to fight myself. I would just embrace it, and that's really where this guidebook has come about. The Empower Dressing Guidebook is really about us understanding ourselves, working with what we've got. It's not about just accepting… It's actually empowering ourselves to feel a sense of worthiness with what we've got rather than looking at what we don't have.
That's actually beautiful Marie-Nicole, thank you so much. I mean, when I first, you know, looked at your book, just from the front, it brought to my mind, and of course I know this is completely not you, because you are absolutely your own unique self, and that's one of the reasons why I love you. But it brought to my mind an event or situation when I was building my first business Albury Hypnotherapy Clinic. I did that for about 10 years and I was a driven mad woman, working crazy hours - I wanted success.
I went and did a public speaking course, because I was rubbish at that, and met these women who were very slick, actually, and very successful. Little did I know that they were backed financially by other people. It wasn't so much their own full creation, but I got caught up in this concept ofI needing to be something that I wasn't in order to be successful and that is absolutely not what you are about in any way, shape or form.
Not now, but I've been down that path.
Yeah, OK.
Yes, so you know in in the book, I share the story of when I was a photographer and I was wearing a garment that was, I would probably say practical, but I felt powerful. I wore a lot of black. I mean, for me, the black was not so much a power over.
Hmm.
It was because I didn't want to reflect color onto like the bride's garment when I was photographing it and things like that, but I would wear very sleek, they were actually corporate brands that I was wearing and it was mostly, Q Design was my brand of choice. I used to wear suits when I got my job out of high school. I was an accounts clerk for a couple of years and I wore suits in that job and that just is not me at all now. Even now, when I've presented business workshops, I still wear things that are flowy and effortless. But I was in that garment after having my first son, and my breast expanded because I was breastfeeding and I had to cut the thing off, and I was just like, this is so uncomfortable on so many levels. But I felt strong.
I actually wanted to be a lawyer at first. I was very argumentative as a child. And I was like, I'm going to stand up for what's right. And then I did my placement in a law firm in in Brisbane at the time. I was in my teenage years and and I was covering the biggest case that there was in Brisbane at the time. It was so damn boring, and the office, it was an unnatural environment. There was so much about it that I didn't like, that that's why I went into photography, which I was passionate about. But I still had that power dressing until I had my first son, and he is 22 now.
So for the first probably, you know, 10 years of my working life, I was 27 when I had him, I was really someone who had that powerful dressing style, and and even high collars and tight, everything that just made us women more masculine.
Yeah.
And then when I had him, I started to wear softer clothing and colors and, and I just, it was weird. i didn't expect that to come out. Right, what's this about? Motherhood is literally softening me in so many ways.
Yeah.
And yeah, that's when I started to realize that I actually needed to feel comfortable and empowered, not powerful, and embrace more of the feminine side. It still took many years to break out of the masculine go-getter person that I was. But now I really have softened in. I'm mean in the late 40s now. I've softened right into what actually serves rather than trying to be something I'm not. But yeah, that's exhausting.
It is actually, it is exhausting trying to be something rather than just dropping into what we really are.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's what I love about, you know, what you've written. It's because that just sort of almost captures it. I think, what did you say? Something about the essence.
Yes, our inner essence being our outer expression. It’s really only been in the last two and a half years that I've connected with that. I was married for 24 years. I was in a family dynamic where, and not not my husband, like he was, we were very much equal parties in our relationship and he was very supportive of what I do, but in terms of extended family, I was constantly having to prove myself, and prove that my creative profession was worthy.
Mm.
So when my marriage ended, and I was very confused by why, I really had to go within and had to connect back with my essence and then I started to go back over stories over the years, back from childhood, even before I was married, and I just realised these were my lessons that I needed to learn so I could connect back to my inner essence and allow that to be my outer expression rather than trying to fit into moulds that I just wasn't designed for. And just realizing that it's my role in the collective is not to try, and I mean, I've never belonged anywhere. I'm a Mauritian born in Australia to immigrant parents who didn't speak English as their first language, who were uneducated and I don't say that to put them down, that's just the reality of it. So we were very much a resourceful family and worked with our hands and and I was the first person in my family to go to university. So, you know, that was a big shift.
Yeah.
So I didn't even belong in my family, you know, I was very different in my family, still am. And so I just really had to contemplate why? What's this journey about? Why can't I belong anywhere? And then I lived in, I was born in Melbourne, lived in Brisbane, moved to Sydney, then to the country. And so everywhere I've been, I've just kind of stood out like a sore thumb. I'm like, yeah there's no hiding. So I really held on to the Dr. Seuss saying of “Why fit in when you were born to stand out?” I started latching onto that maybe 15 years ago and started to let go of the fact, especially living here in the country. iI'm not meant to be like everyone else and I actually meant to probably give other people permission to be themselves whatever that looks like, not for them to be like me, that's not what I'm here to convince people of, it's just you be you and I'll be me.
Yeah it's interesting. I live in regional New South Wales, so it's very, dare I say it? Patriarchal. You know, here we must all be married, and people have known their friends since kindergarten and all that sort of thing, so people who move into this area really struggle to get traction in terms of social interaction for quite a while, and you know, I hear that from clients actually, it's a big thing. So yeah, that whole thing about fitting in, and you know how it is when you move to a new place, or even when you travel, once you go through the doors and the airport, o suddenly it's wide open and you can, you're in the flow.
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah. Well, that's where, you know, I moved here from the city and I'm also in regional New South Wales and rural, it's considered rural, and I opened up a commercial space to actually welcome in all the newcomers. That was exactly what that space was for, to help women who had moved to the area, that moved to here based on their husband's employment, which was my situation, and lost their own employment opportunities, aligning with their creative professional pursuits. And so I fostered a lot of women through that space in building up their own personal empowerment and feeling like they belonged somewhere, and it wasn't just for newcomers, it was based on that. I had a lot of people who had been living in the area for 30, 40 years that then came in and said it gave them permission to feel like that it's okay to be who they are rather than yeah for 40 years thinking they needed to fit into the culture of the space. It's not to knock the culture, it's just the acceptance of, we all have our unique thread to add to the collective tapestry. We're not meant to be the same.
Yeah, that's right.
I like to use the analogy of wild nature, the bird who collects the seed and drops the seed is not the one that pollinates the flower. So, you know, we all have our part to play in what we need as a collective. So rather than judging each other, let's embrace the difference and run with that.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
I was fascinated about the clothing…
Yeah!
I mean it's reading through your book has actually got me motivated, and I actually offloaded four dresses yesterday. They have left the building!
Yeah!
You speak in there about fabrics and vibrational frequency and I was loving that. So would you be happy to talk about that, you know, the different qualities of fabric, what you think is good?
Yeah. Well, when I first started, when I moved out of photography and into artisanal work, I was screen printing. So I didn't want to be making garments for people. That wasn't the intention.I was making tea towels and serviettes and aprons and I was screen printing onto them. But then there was so much of that out in the marketplace, that I just started then working with old blankets. and making instrument cases and things out of old blankets. But i I chose, I was very selective when it came to the screen printing and even the fabric that I lined my bags with, because I then started working with kangaroo leather still lined in linen. I selected the fabrics based on them being eco-friendly. I have a big eco-friendly stance on everything that I do. Then I started to think, you know, when I wear linen, I actually feel really good. Like I generally run hot. My constitution is that I run hot and living in Brisbane, I really struggled with humidity, and so the choice of fabrics for me personally was to stay cool and it was really important that I understood what worked for me. I didn't know about the frequency when I chose those fabrics. I have only in recent years come to understand that. But I also, when I started making clothing upon customer's request, because what I was wearing, they loved and they asked me if they could order it. So I then, when I decided to bring clothing, I just went, you know, I have to focus on the fabrics that make me feel good, which I'm pretty sure are going to make others feel good because linen has a thermal quality regulating aspect to it, which fine merino does too.
So they were my base fabrics, and then I discovered that there's actually a frequency to this and then it makes sense once you hear it, because everything is energy, and everything has a vibration. Even if you take the frequency of a flower, it actually emits a certain vibration and then a bee is attracted to that vibration and once the bee gets there the frequency changes. It's like we can prove all of that, but we have not really looked at how does the fabric that I'm wearing affect me? So when I discovered that polyester actually reads at 10 hertz which is pretty low when you think about the fact that a sick person reads at 15 hertz and organic cotton 110 hertz. So just the difference between wearing organic cotton and polyester is huge, but linen and wool read at 5000 hertz. So that's a massive difference, and it really started to resonate with me why people, I would be in people's presence, even in the last two and a half years when I was going through one of the hardest transitions of my life, and they'd say “I love your energy” and I'm thinking, oh my goodness I'm going through this massive life transition internally I feel like I'm falling apart and you're telling me you love my energy upon first meeting me? Imagine if I was feeling good. You wouldn't be able to sit next to me, and then I started to think maybe it's actually not just me. I mean I do a lot of work on my energy internally, and mentally and physically, and spiritually. But then I started to think, maybe it's the frequency of the fabric that I'm wearing, that is that they're feeling and that's amplifying. On top of that, it's having that side effect of actually increasing my vibration, my energy, so helping me heal just by what I'm wearing. I was like, right, that's really powerful. So yeah, I just think first thing, if you know you can feel it. You feel the touch of a polyester compared to the touch of a natural fiber and your senses will tell you that it actually feels better to engage with a natural fiber. So that's one of the first things i I try to encourage people to do.
Just look at the fabrics you're wearing. You don't even have to change it I mean changing your diet, yes it's a very important thing. Exercising yes, all very important, but if you do all of those things and then you cover your body in a fabric that brings down your frequency then it's just undone all of that. So yeah I started to look at well what about feng shui and we talk about feng shui for our houses and the directing of energy and even the redirection of EMF frequencies.
Yeah, exactly. It's a whole package, isn't it?
And so it's like, well, potentially well how we drape ourselves can also do that. So the lines of garments that we're wearing and the way that energy flows over us. I mean, I've always preferred a scarf. I used to do tutorials for people in the shop when I sold garments and I'd do these little tutorials on how to wear things. I'd show the difference between when you just get a big scarf and you put it around your neck and it's got like these harsh lines and it just stops and it just makes you look heavy, feel heavy and if you pull one corner of the scarf and just let it float and then wrap it around it creates this delicacy and layers and then I was like actually the flow of energy. It's like a river. If you watch water butt up against a hard edge it can't get around it so it just keeps pushing and pushing and it overflows so maybe the way we wear our scarf actually helps energy move around our body as well so it's literally, I mean that's taking it so far that you know that I feel like people might go, oh it's too much to think about, but you know we do we think about it in terms of organic foods and how we lay out our furniture to not block the flow of energy, and our bodies house our soul and our energy bodies so how we actually dress our ourselves creates that, you know, same kind of flow or or not.
Exactly, that makes so much sense and I mean even things like colour have a big impact. You were saying before about wearing black made you feel powerful.
Yes, and I still wear black, I mean I've got a black hat on and you can't see, but I've got black harem pants on at the moment but it's just some days. I actually find the cycles of the moon, I find when it's around a new moon I have a tendency to wear indigo or black but I still end up softening it a little bit with a flax or a cream top with that, but it's just in terms of colour. I was drawn to particular colors at different times and wondered, okay, so what's the meaning of that color? When I started to look into the colour, like when I even chose my logo for the business, the Creators Nest logo, I was really drawn to turquoise and I didn’t know that turquoise was related to a particular chakra system. The other colours I include in the book talk about the chakra system. But it's that whole symbolism of wisdom, tranquility, protection and good fortune and loyalty. I say that actually that is what Creator's Nest is about. It's about fostering all of that. So, you know, there are days where I feel like my identity is shaken by an experience and I'm drawn to a yellow top and that has to do with our solar plexus.
So it's like, hmm,
Yeah.
Maybe the days that we are today, I'm wearing orange, not because I'm trying to purge toxic energy, but it is. But I was just drawn to it and I was like, why is that? Creativity and passion and an emotional expression. And that's what this conversation is about. So, you know, if we want to embody something, then we can choose to wear a color that helps us do that as well.
Exactly. I was interested, you know, you spoke about the ethics of creators and i loved that you know the cost of what people are being paid to create clothes. I remember I had a job post COVID to get me over a little bump, and a lot of the people who worked in that space were buying clothing from Teemu. You know, there's all this chatter about it all around me, and in the end they stop talking about it around me after saying, oh no, don't tell Karen, she won't buy anything from there. I mean just the the immediacy of it, the low price, and I you talk about our own ethical stance when we're purchasing.
Absolutely. My dad used to give my kids Kmart gift cards for birthdays, Christmases, and I actually said, please stop. Just send Target. At least Target has some organic fabrics and things, but we'd walk into Kmart and to ka out and and have it we didn't at the time have a Kmart in Yass. I had to go to Canberra for it. So I used that as a really good excuse for him.
And so we have a target and yes, just give them a target card. Now it's turned into a Kmart, which is really disappointing. But I'd walk into Kmart and you'd see like piles of $3 t-shirts, just $3. And you'd look, knowing as a maker who buys fabric and makes things, just the time that goes into it. My mum worked in a factory when I was a child and in ah primary school. She worked in a factory in Melbourne and those conditions were pretty good compared to what these $3 t-shirts that have been produced and people being locked in factories in Reiner Plaza and having them collapse and just to give us a $3 t-shirt which does not even last and goes out of shape and then you throw it into the bin or you put it into the recycle.
Yeah.
The op shops are just overrun with rubbish fabrics and garments like that, they're just bagging them up and throwing them out. So it's like, if we spend more on the garment and we know that the person who made the garment has also been looked after, that energy transfers to the garment because those factory workers that were being locked up or mistreated to create these cheap garments for us started actually sewing in little messages into garments to reach out for help.
Wow.
This has been going on for so long. I mean it's so out in the open now, but when I first started working with fabrics like this and I would tell friends who shopped at places like came out like how would you feel if here in Yas we had a factory that locked families in the factory so that they could produce cheap items for our needs and so one of the people was like where where's this happening in yas and i'm like see your reaction straight away is one of defense for the people in yas but it's happening over there in india and we're not doing anything about it because we just looked at the price and at first for me it started with genes because i when i was doing my research on fabric and i learned that there was satellite imagery of the
runoff of the dye into the waterways of these communities that were producing genes cheaply for us but they were so toxic that the farmers even growing the crop was ah getting sick and committing suicide and and then you could see the runoff of the actual production just this blue sea around these communities and it's like someone's paying for it so instead of us going oh well it's a cheap price and I can get more why don't we go actually why is it a cheap price who's actually missing out so I in the book include brand recommendations and one of the recommendations is for a denim company that pays and there's a lot of companies doing this now but it was one of the first to really look at the living wage and the living wage is not just based on
paying people enough to get by because in these communities they often look after their families as well. They've got elderly parents that live with them and children are careful and not everyone can work.
So they pay enough to cover the cost of the family, not just the individual.
They empower the individual to run the factories. So it's not like a top heavy Western company that's coming in telling people what they need to do or agents on their behalf.
Yeah, it's actually empowering communities as well. So i the reason I brought that up in the book is partly because of the energy as well. Like anything that's got that kind of energy of suffering and anxiety, that flows into us as well.
So you know if you just want to look at it from a purely but and selfish perspective, then buy ethically made for yourself.
Yeah.
Exactly. And I mean, the Hare Krishna um people, they do that with food. You know, he's putting the love in the food.
yeah
ah It just makes sense, doesn't it? Anybody who's ever done Reiki knows anything they touch once they've got that flow of energy, once they're aware of the flow of energy that's moving through them, whatever they do, they're creating.
It does.
Yes. But that's where our Western culture has disconnected us from a lot of that because we also don't see the flow and effects of our waste. If we actually had to dump everything in our own properties we would be a lot more discerning with the decisions that we made in not just our clothing but what we eat and what we discard and living on farms actually really brought that to my awareness in terms of we didn't have garbage collection so we did have to take our rubbish to the tip and you would see you would actually see what was being thrown out and so we we started to separate our rubbish into we composted as much as we could.
And then when you're composting it in your own soil, you don't want to put toxic things in your own soil. So you really become aware. And that that leaves me, and it's not a question that you've asked, but it's just prompted something um from living on the farms and seeing the culling and dumping of kangaroos into gullies.
That actually led me to start working with kangaroo leather because I was like, you know, part of the pest control was they were given certain number of tickets to be able to just cull the kangaroos that are destroying their crops, but they're dumping them in gullies and that was creating toxic waste and flow on effect. I mean wild boar is a problem and wild boar actually feed off the carcasses and so it just kind of flows on. So it's like when people at markets would say I'm vegan, ah particularly at markets more so than in the shop. In the shop they
00:30:30.92
Marie-Nicole
were a little, because it was my space, it was not as easy to confront me. But in, I mean, I still have people that did, but but in the markets I used to get it a lot. And and I would say, well, you know, that polyurethane replacement that you're using as pleather instead of leather, like that's petroleum based. So, and that will never break down. So let's really look at this from a holistic perspective of Maybe we should go back to a hunt to gather a kind of lifestyle.
00:31:01.76
Marie-Nicole
and We would be a lot more respectful, but yeah.
00:31:04.93
Karen Seinor
Well, it's it's very permaculture, isn't it? I mean, you know, the cycle.
00:31:10.12
Marie-Nicole
Yes.
00:31:10.31
Karen Seinor
That's beautiful, I think. I really, I love that you've actually explained why you went into the kangaroo leather. That's but gorgeous.
00:31:18.29
Marie-Nicole
Yeah, and it's not because I advocate animal cruelty.
00:31:18.47
Karen Seinor
I love it.
00:31:20.97
Marie-Nicole
I love animals. though big animal person but it's just I think I mean I still I try and use the vegetable tanned leather rather than um chrome tanned so I'm still but not everything is possible like in terms of threads like I still do use some polyester threads because the natural threads just break too quickly but um but I would prefer if I could do everything natural and have it
00:31:43.53
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:31:48.52
Marie-Nicole
live out its cycle and then and then know that I could recycle, it um not even recycle, it compost it.
00:31:50.24
Karen Seinor
and
00:31:53.98
Marie-Nicole
And I know that it's safe to put that there and and make another one. But that's the other thing, we also want things to last forever. I have a friend, and this has got nothing to do with clothing, but a friend who made me a wire bowl for my 40th birthday and he's a sculptor and he stopped by here the other day and he's like, you know, I can finish that bowl so that it does, because I have it outside on an outdoor table,
00:32:17.72
Marie-Nicole
I could put a finish on it so it doesn't perish. And I was like, but everything comes to an end in its cycle. So when that bowl actually perishes, I don't need it to last forever.
00:32:29.72
Marie-Nicole
And it's doing really well. It's got this beautiful patina to it. And it just made me think, you know, we're so used to things not, you know, not wanting things to come to the end of a cycle, but that's the natural part of life.
00:32:42.89
Karen Seinor
And there's beauty in that.
00:32:44.73
Marie-Nicole
Yeah, I agree.
00:32:45.70
Karen Seinor
risky And even you know for us as women, the whole thing about aging, oh my God. you know I see these beautiful young women who are injecting things into their face because they've got a little line.
00:33:02.27
Marie-Nicole
yeah
00:33:02.97
Karen Seinor
And then I see an old woman whose face is lined from years in the sun. And when she laughs, her whole face moves and is alive.
00:33:13.52
Marie-Nicole
okay yeah It's like the the map of her life shows on her face.
00:33:17.18
Karen Seinor
And I think, exactly.
00:33:21.64
Marie-Nicole
yeah
00:33:22.87
Karen Seinor
Which one is more beautiful?
00:33:24.89
Marie-Nicole
Yeah I agree and you know people I'm sure I mean I've i've been asked what my skincare regime is because I i turn 50 next year and I still don't really have wrinkles and it's not because I do anything to prevent it I've never tried to prevent aging I have you can't see my gray hairs but I do have them and I'm quite happy to but I actually believe that it is
00:33:26.23
Karen Seinor
Hmm.
00:33:49.07
Marie-Nicole
I focused more on living youthfully rather than being concerned about aging and like you know and that has
00:33:55.83
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:33:58.41
Marie-Nicole
potentially kept me more vital and not without me even trying. I've always drunk a lot of water you know looking at the beauty of everything around me and even what you were saying in terms of the preparation of food.
00:34:05.47
Karen Seinor
I need someone else to ask me.
00:34:20.24
Marie-Nicole
Like I take my food preparation as a sacred Act. So, you know, maybe that's why I haven't got the wrinkles because I'm not worried so much.
00:34:31.76
Karen Seinor
Exactly. This is intentional living, isn't it?
00:34:36.14
Marie-Nicole
Yes. Yeah.
00:34:36.97
Karen Seinor
It's absolutely intentional living, being fully present to what's there. Now, I'm just going to jump over because I keep wanting to ask you this question.
00:34:47.06
Karen Seinor
Silk.
00:34:48.20
Marie-Nicole
Yes.
00:34:49.54
Karen Seinor
Now, can you tell me, is this a good fabric or not?
00:34:55.52
Marie-Nicole
You know um I have looked into it and I can't say I can retain the information that I have found on it but from what I understand I mean in terms of vibration it is still a natural fiber.
00:35:01.30
Karen Seinor
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:05.22
Karen Seinor
Hmm.
00:35:08.34
Marie-Nicole
I don't know what the process of farming silk is like I don't know how the actual creatures are treated so I would if I was to investigate that further that's what I would be looking at because
00:35:18.98
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:35:24.51
Karen Seinor
Yeah, okay.
00:35:25.72
Marie-Nicole
It's a little bit like farmed salmon you know like yeah and and even even um animals that are mistreated in cages.
00:35:28.80
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:35:35.67
Marie-Nicole
So i I feel like maybe silk is one of those areas where if if it is that the energy in the creature itself is suffering, going through a process of suffering, then I would avoid it.
00:35:49.46
Karen Seinor
yeah
00:35:49.44
Marie-Nicole
But in terms of a natural fibre, I've always struggled a little bit with silk. I don't know what it is, like I wear it occasionally, but I know that there have been some times where I've found it uncomfortable.
00:35:57.81
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:36:01.61
Marie-Nicole
and And I don't know what the reason is, like I felt hot in it. I felt like it hasn't breathed as well. And I wonder if that's the weave rather than the fibre itself.
00:36:10.34
Karen Seinor
Yeah, okay.
00:36:11.85
Marie-Nicole
So I can't answer that one clearly.
00:36:12.15
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:36:15.73
Karen Seinor
Yeah, that's okay.
00:36:15.75
Marie-Nicole
it's only an assumption yeah worms and how they're treated i know and that's
00:36:16.79
Karen Seinor
And look, it's just, ah I mean I've just dumped that in on you and but it's just gone around in my mind a couple of times and I thought oh I'll just ask you because I noticed that you didn't didn't mention it and I I suppose I thought given that it's a natural one but interesting to think about you know those little look worms yeah I mean my worms are important I love worms I've got worms in my
00:36:44.03
Marie-Nicole
The other thing I didn't put in there is bamboo. Did I, I don't think I included it.
00:36:49.64
Karen Seinor
No. Oh, I think he mentioned it.
00:36:50.99
Marie-Nicole
And I, yeah, so when, when I first really researched fabric, I, I did that would be my, my second son's just turned 17 and he was a baby when I started researching fabric.
00:37:06.64
Marie-Nicole
So at the time I didn't choose, I chose not to work with bamboo. because the research I discovered was they used such heavy chemicals to break down the fibre to get it to a point where they can create fabric, that the chemicals then get transferred through the fabric.
00:37:20.79
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:37:24.47
Marie-Nicole
So even though it's a sustainable material to grow, the production is not to turn it into fabric. And in recent years, I actually started using bamboo, like buying products that were made out of bamboo, and only because Jane Goodall,
00:37:32.23
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:37:41.36
Marie-Nicole
was the face of a brand. And I was like, Jane Goodall, if she's behind that, surely then she would know that there's the processes may be changed.
00:37:51.78
Karen Seinor
Hmm.
00:37:51.80
Marie-Nicole
But only recently I've heard that the chemical part is still a big part of it. And so I'm like, oh, I need to go back and research that again and see what the modern day version of creating bamboo fabric is because, yeah, I mean, this' so it gets so complicated.
00:38:07.12
Marie-Nicole
And that's why I've only included in the book what I actually know. what I've worked with what I understand and silk and bamboo or two.
00:38:10.60
Karen Seinor
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:14.85
Marie-Nicole
I mean I didn't put hemp in there either and not because I believe the production of hemp and into um fabric is fine but again 16 and a half years ago when I looked into hemp the production of hemp into fabric I didn't like the finishes they were a bit rough and rugged for my screen printing whereas linen had this beautiful range of
00:38:29.95
Karen Seinor
yeah
00:38:37.16
Marie-Nicole
lightweight, easy to screen print and then more slubby, heavier, open weave, natural. So there was just a broader range in the offering of linen.
00:38:45.81
Karen Seinor
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:45.82
Marie-Nicole
But I do now, I have used hemp in more recent years because they have started to refine the processes of creating a a broader range of finishes.
00:38:56.49
Karen Seinor
yeah
00:38:57.63
Marie-Nicole
Yeah.
00:38:57.84
Karen Seinor
it's It's so important, isn't it? I mean, We don't think about, you know, I'm speaking generally, the general population does not think, oh, it's natural, therefore it's good.
00:39:08.67
Karen Seinor
But that what goes into the earth, I mean, that's where we grow our food.
00:39:08.84
Marie-Nicole
Yes.
00:39:14.35
Karen Seinor
That's what we are relying on for long term life for our children, our grandchildren, you know, the continuation.
00:39:14.61
Marie-Nicole
Yeah.
00:39:24.06
Marie-Nicole
Exactly.
00:39:24.56
Karen Seinor
Well, I look at the weather right now, you know, what's happening in the world weather-wise and I go, well, we have been asking for it, you know.
00:39:28.80
Marie-Nicole
Yes. And that's the thing is that you know the earth will continue. It'll eject us. It'll just go, you humans are not good for mine for my rock.
00:39:43.83
Karen Seinor
and
00:39:43.97
Marie-Nicole
So moving on to the next species.
00:39:44.87
Karen Seinor
Oh, no.
00:39:47.38
Marie-Nicole
I got rid of the dinosaurs for a reason.
00:39:50.33
Karen Seinor
Oh,
00:39:50.65
Marie-Nicole
So in the end, it's ourselves that we're working against.
00:39:55.11
Karen Seinor
Yeah, that's right. It's interesting, isn't it? like I remember you know part of what's come to my mind reading your book is about the quantity of things. Now, I live in a very small house. Apparently, it's smaller than my brother's garage.
00:40:19.61
Marie-Nicole
Well, his garage is too big then, isn't it?
00:40:19.80
Karen Seinor
the his then he is actually He has way too many ties. So when I moved here, I offloaded a lot of things and I'd actually started to change some of the things I bought because I knew that I was going into a place where I'd have um little space for clothing. and So seven handbags was actually out of the question. So I offloaded those.
00:40:50.67
Karen Seinor
and dumb I started to look at things like minimalism, and what's that Japanese lady's name? I can't remember her name now, it doesn't matter.
00:41:01.73
Marie-Nicole
Oh Marie Konto.
00:41:01.81
Karen Seinor
You know, yes, yes, looking at, you know, all the things. through And I loved the title of your chapter, you know, Calvin Curate Your Wardrobe.
00:41:15.27
Marie-Nicole
Yeah.
00:41:16.62
Karen Seinor
I thought that was super cool, and I thought, I'm curating. I felt very artistic.
00:41:22.37
Marie-Nicole
Well that's our life. We are creators. That is even people who don't think they are creative, they are creating something. even as an engineer.
00:41:31.56
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:41:32.98
Marie-Nicole
So the whole curate your wardrobe is again that inner essence being your outer expression because I say we are our own walking billboard. We actually promote what we believe in and we don't even have to open our mouth when we walk into a room and people can look at us and they can see if you're wearing catmandu only people are going to know you're an adventurer.
00:41:55.92
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:41:56.18
Marie-Nicole
So you don't have to say, this is what I believe in. And if what you are wearing doesn't align with what you believe in, then that's a bit of a problem, right? I was watching a documentary where I was, and it was a beautiful documentary, but one of the ladies I were interviewing was, I think she was a scientist, but she was wearing a jacket, which I'm sure was polyester and had down in it,
00:42:24.99
Marie-Nicole
that actually wasn't ethically sourced because the way that they get down for some of those jackets is it's quite torturous for the ducks.
00:42:32.87
Karen Seinor
Oh.
00:42:33.01
Marie-Nicole
And so you really want a down jacket that has been harvested with consideration for the bird, not a bird that's plus live. you know So a lot of that cheap production stuff has that energy in it.
00:42:46.57
Marie-Nicole
So it's considering that you know what we wear is actually a part of our message to the world. And so that's where the colouring curate is. What is essential for me to live the lifestyle that I want to live and to move through my days in a way that is um effortless.
00:43:05.72
Marie-Nicole
and And practical. I lived on farms. I used to laugh at me on farms wearing my flowy linens.
00:43:11.35
Karen Seinor
Mm.
00:43:11.54
Marie-Nicole
But I would layer my clothing. So I have a pair of jeans, a singlet, and then I have ah like an overlay of a flowy garment. And if I have to climb over something, I take my overlay off and I climb over it.
00:43:22.64
Marie-Nicole
I mean, I drive a ute. I'm constantly in and out of the back of the ute. I set up a tent and I hike and I just take off the the flowy things that will get caught on fences or trees and do what I have to and then I put it back on.
00:43:31.95
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:43:40.83
Karen Seinor
and
00:43:41.77
Marie-Nicole
So that's where curating your wardrobe in a way that aligns with your lifestyle, represents your ethos and actually makes you feel good. That's what I'm trying to encourage people to do.
00:43:50.27
Karen Seinor
Yeah, it's wonderful, it's wonderful. Wow, I mean you've got your own very unique style and I know that it's real because no matter how many times I, you know, catch up with you, you are still presenting and I still see some version of, you know, what I'm seeing today.
00:44:19.15
Karen Seinor
um Has it taken you a long time to develop that or to bring that through? have you got
00:44:26.25
Marie-Nicole
Hmm. I think it's taken, it has taken me to understand myself rather than I used to, I used to try and kind of not fit the trend, but make the trend fit me.
00:44:36.49
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:44:44.97
Marie-Nicole
So I was very much aware of what the trends were.
00:44:45.19
Karen Seinor
yeah
00:44:47.69
Marie-Nicole
And even that in itself, I found to be frustrating because trends are often short-lived. And so I used to have a friend who every season would redo her whole wardrobe and she'd create a capsule wardrobe every season.
00:45:02.71
Marie-Nicole
And for me, that's exhausting.
00:45:05.60
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:45:05.60
Marie-Nicole
So I would like, rather than trying to have a wardrobe for the season or a wardrobe for the year, what if I try and build a timeless, effortless wardrobe that I know aligns with who I am?
00:45:19.82
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:45:19.76
Marie-Nicole
And so that's why it's actually easy for me to get ready in the morning. I intuitively dress most mornings. I just open up my wardrobe and go, what colors?
00:45:30.70
Marie-Nicole
And I know they all layer well. And i it doesn't take a lot of, I don't need to try the whole outfit on, go, does this work together? I've already worked that out at the foundation level. And so yes, it's taken many years to work out what that means for me, what shapes, what cuts,
00:45:40.98
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:45:47.57
Marie-Nicole
If you saw me on a daily basis at the moment, I am almost every day wearing one of these singlets. I have them in several colors that I have made because I can wear this singlet with whatever bottom and I know it's going to work.
00:46:00.82
Marie-Nicole
And sometimes I tuck it in, sometimes I have it out, sometimes I have it covered. and It's just easy. So it it might look like I take a long time to get ready, but I don't.
00:46:06.47
Karen Seinor
That
00:46:11.94
Marie-Nicole
Because I
00:46:13.03
Karen Seinor
sounds good.
00:46:15.32
Marie-Nicole
just, I couldn't be bothered. spending all that time trying to work out what to wear in the morning, spending an hour trying to decide whether or not something actually suits. And of course at time of cycle we have our body feels different.
00:46:26.97
Marie-Nicole
So you just know all that, that outfit's gonna work whether or not I'm on my cycle or not. It's just as what bottom what pants I put with it or what skirt I put with it. So it has taken a long time in terms of that.
00:46:37.11
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:46:40.35
Marie-Nicole
But what actually I found harder was that the period of time that I went through where I decided I wasn't going to buy anything new and I was just going to buy secondhand only, that was really challenging because nothing in the fashion industry was really made for my physique.
00:46:50.97
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:46:56.80
Marie-Nicole
So to only buy secondhand, I was constantly readjusting garments.
00:46:57.15
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:47:01.11
Marie-Nicole
I was recutting neckline, sleeve, lengths. And I was like, and that was, so I was buying them cheaply, but I was spending a lot of time.
00:47:09.18
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:47:09.15
Marie-Nicole
And i when I say buying them cheaply, I would go to designer op shops as well and buy there. So I knew that the quality was still higher. um But I was always reworking something.
00:47:17.59
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:47:19.62
Marie-Nicole
So I decided I'm better off to make garments out of fabrics in designs that work for me and then just have less. that actually works together.
00:47:29.92
Karen Seinor
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:32.01
Marie-Nicole
So, I mean, look, I was nearly 50, so I don't know exactly how long it took for me to get to this point.
00:47:37.61
Karen Seinor
like
00:47:40.37
Marie-Nicole
But it's in a journey of a lifetime.
00:47:43.98
Marie-Nicole
Yeah, ah one that's worth, I think has been worth embarking on because I feel the other day i on New Year's Eve, actually, I went to Wee Jasper Reserve with my dogs.
00:47:55.41
Marie-Nicole
I planned to go swimming with the dogs, but the creek, the river was so low we couldn't swim. And I was lying on this picnic blanket and I was wearing like a denim skirt, one of my singlets, I had my bathers underneath. and I just felt so at ease that I didn't really care what anyone else thought about whether or not I was appropriately dressed.
00:48:16.76
Marie-Nicole
I was just, I was so comfortable and I was like, that's such a good way to feel. Like I have not had that most of my life.
00:48:21.55
Karen Seinor
yeah Yeah, fantastic,
00:48:23.35
Marie-Nicole
So I feel most at peace now than I have in a very long time. So yes, that's probably taken a while to get to that point. Yeah.
00:48:34.76
Karen Seinor
fantastic. All right, is there anything else we need to talk about that I haven't missed?
00:48:42.35
Marie-Nicole
The only thing that you probably haven't asked on, which you had said in a previous conversation you enjoyed talking about, and that was jewellery.
00:48:50.99
Karen Seinor
oh my god yes yes thank you for mentioning that oh what does it spark in me well my my jewellery reminds me of things like for example this this ring here that i'm wearing
00:48:57.34
Marie-Nicole
I want to hear from you first though. What is it about the jewellery that, yeah what but is it sparking you?
00:49:19.35
Karen Seinor
I looked at that, it's not an expensive piece, but I looked at it and I was doing a bit of a ah dive into, you know, I've always been a bit worried about the whole ET thing and not 100% comfortable and I grew up in a place where
00:49:19.39
Marie-Nicole
Yeah, beautiful.
00:49:39.38
Karen Seinor
As a teenager I lived in Mount Beauty and there were certain places that you wouldn't drive in the hills at night because you know your headlights would stop, the car would stop you know and people used to say things about ETs and things but i I've been delving into that a little bit and I'm not scared now.
00:49:48.44
Marie-Nicole
Wow.
00:49:57.04
Marie-Nicole
Yeah.
00:49:59.55
Marie-Nicole
It's awesome.
00:50:01.39
Karen Seinor
but The thing is I went into the local um i went into the goddess Emporium as a crystal shop close by here and I saw this happen to be on a tray they had pulled out they were working with and I saw it and I went oh my god that's deep space that is so galactic and I had to have it because at the moment I'm exploring things outside of my comfort zone and so I like to put that on.
00:50:17.99
Marie-Nicole
Yeah.
00:50:29.94
Karen Seinor
ah
00:50:32.76
Karen Seinor
and it reminds me. So I use the jewellery for its beauty, its uniqueness. I don't want to be the same as everyone else. This little combination here, it looks like a wedding ring really, but it's not. I've got ah a little bee because I'm a beekeeper and I love that. And the other one is actually from Hawaii. So when I put those on, on this hand,
00:51:02.87
Karen Seinor
I am reminded of a few different things. One is my commitment to myself because, you know, people get into all this thing about not being in relationships and they're married to themselves and all this hoo-ha.
00:51:09.81
Marie-Nicole
Yeah.
00:51:17.40
Karen Seinor
But on some level, I did do a ritual many years ago, this is probably way too much information, ah about where I actually did a ritual and I made a, did a commitment ceremony to myself.
00:51:33.06
Karen Seinor
and I purchased a ring with diamonds in it because I've been married a couple of times but never engaged and I thought rip off I need a diamond so I bought myself a diamond ring and I used that in my ceremony but I don't need that now but so when I put these on I am reminded of my commitment to myself to be present and true to myself
00:51:57.80
Marie-Nicole
Yeah.
00:52:03.75
Karen Seinor
And I love my time in Hawaii. I've got beautiful friends there. um I first got my motorcycle license. There are lots of wild woman things I did there.
00:52:13.77
Marie-Nicole
yeah awesome
00:52:14.69
Karen Seinor
And the bee is all about the goddess and femininity. And I am a beekeeper now, or a ah servant to bees is probably more true.
00:52:28.32
Karen Seinor
and yes so
00:52:31.44
Karen Seinor
And these these things here, and even my earrings, they're from a designer in um the Gaza Strip actually.
00:52:41.50
Marie-Nicole
Yeah, awesome. Yeah.
00:52:42.62
Karen Seinor
But yeah, but so they they are symbolic. That's what I'm trying to say. They mean something to me and they bring my attention to what is important.
00:52:57.74
Karen Seinor
And so I put those things on and it moves me into that place of honoring those things.
00:52:57.87
Marie-Nicole
Yeah absolutely and see that's the setting the conditions which we've talked about outside of this conversation and that is it's no different to preparing soil for a seed to germinate.
00:53:05.13
Karen Seinor
So, yeah.
00:53:14.59
Marie-Nicole
That's how I see jewellery as well and I actually am often asked if I'm a jeweller and was in the shop because I would sell other people's jewellery.
00:53:18.83
Karen Seinor
Ah.
00:53:22.01
Marie-Nicole
I mean I make feather and leather earrings. So I did make a bit of jewelry and I did a bit of leather, I do leather work, I watch bands and braiding. But in terms of all the metalwork, um i my jewelry is all medicinal or it's meaningful and it's intentional.
00:53:38.79
Marie-Nicole
Going back to that whole intentional living, even jewelry has its purpose.
00:53:38.85
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:53:43.51
Marie-Nicole
And in a session we had together the other week, I was telling you about my snake ring and how I, when i my marriage ended, 24 years of one identity I decided I needed to wear a ring that helped shed the layer layers that no longer served and I wore a snake ring and then I took that off and I put a ring on which actually represents my past and present are always connected. I am not trying to shed my past, I'm carrying that with me forward and then I put my snake ring on my thumb and while I was down the coast
00:54:16.55
Marie-Nicole
I said to you at the time that I didn't feel like it was going to break. I didn't have that sense, but I do remember it feeling uncomfortable. And I'd been wearing it on my thumb for several months. Like I bought this ring back in, I bought it around what would have been my 25th wedding anniversary. So it was like back in April and I was wearing the snake ring on my thumb since then. And it was only in the last maybe month that it started to feel and a little uncomfortable. And I was like, oh, this has been there.
00:54:44.55
Marie-Nicole
fine for ages and then while I was down the coast it just broke and had no sign of about to break and I took that as a representation, enough layers, enough shedding, now it's just time to start the next cycle and so you know it's all I just agree with you that jewellery really is a representation it can be not for everyone but I use it that way all of my jewellery has something meaningful to it now I've got a little story which I just thought about
00:54:48.41
Karen Seinor
Yeah. if no
00:55:12.97
Marie-Nicole
This little pendant that I wear around my neck is a a ah spinner. It's a it's ah little quartz crystal.
00:55:22.00
Karen Seinor
Mm hmm.
00:55:22.20
Marie-Nicole
But the chain, and I bought that for a chain that my husband had bought for me for our first wedding anniversary. And he intended on also buying this little um spherical sparkly pendant, but never got around to the pendant.
00:55:38.32
Marie-Nicole
Like he didn't at the time buy the pendant. And he said, I'll buy that next time. and So for 24 years, I had this chain without that pendant that I was supposed to one day get. and like you know I'm not bitter about that, but it was just that I ended up putting other charms on the pendant, right, on the um necklace.
00:55:53.13
Karen Seinor
see
00:55:56.76
Marie-Nicole
And then after my marriage ended, I was like, I really like the idea of the sphere. Like I wanted something spherical on that. So I ended up buying this little spinner and I play with it all the time. But for the first maybe six months of wearing that on that necklace, the necklace kept breaking, just kept opening. It wasn't actually broken but it kept opening and the little spinner fell off constantly. I was in the shop and I had two stories that I used to walk up and down in the back entry to the car park and I'd often find this little spinner
00:56:28.33
Marie-Nicole
just on the cement steps. And I was just like, oh, there it is again. So I'd pick it up and I'd put it back on the necklace. And then one day I was at Aldi with my youngest son and we got out of the car and walked into the shops and I got into the store and I was like, oh, my necklace is just hanging around my neck, but where's that little spinner? Oh, I think I've lost it for good now. And so I went outside looking on the driveway. I couldn't find it. We went through the whole supermarket and the manager of the store knows me and she's like, what are you looking for? And I said, oh, I've lost my little pendant and it's just like this little spherical tissue. See if we find it, we'll give it back to you. And I was like, okay.
00:57:02.65
Marie-Nicole
It's all good, let it go. Maybe that pendant isn't meant for me. We did our shopping, we walked to Aldi's so busy like cars coming and going and there was my little spinner on the driveway where lots of cars would have driven and it wasn't damaged and I looked at my son and I said it's not the pendant, it's the necklace.
00:57:11.83
Karen Seinor
Yeah. Wow.
00:57:24.75
Marie-Nicole
I shouldn't be wearing this necklace. So we went and I still get the shivers thinking about it, it was so powerful because that had opened up so many times that necklace and I went to the jeweler who I know quite well too because I do love jewelry. She's like I can fix that little catcher if you want. I said no no I don't want the necklace. I just need a similar length necklace that's not that one for this pendant. This necklace has never fallen off.
00:57:53.76
Marie-Nicole
like these are little signs that we are sent that we often ignore and it's like you need to let go of that past connection and and it wasn't even resentment or anything it was i was still wearing the necklace he'd given me it just wasn't meant for me absolutely yeah we
00:58:03.45
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:58:13.26
Karen Seinor
yeah there's We're constantly being shown, aren't we? And constantly being guided. Yeah, it's beautiful. I love that story.
00:58:21.68
Marie-Nicole
Just got len to learn to tune in. I do too, because you know, it has, and I also now wear a pendant on here with the spinner that is um the Eye of Horus, because my life's work sphere in the Jean Keys is the gift of farsightedness.
00:58:31.78
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:58:37.44
Marie-Nicole
And I have really had to look at everything that has happened in my life from the perspective of farsightedness.
00:58:37.80
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
00:58:43.83
Marie-Nicole
And the Eye of Horus is related to the peregrine falcon, which connects to that sphere in the Jean Keys. And so, and the peregrine falcon, again, this is a little eagle, but I do have feathers from a peregrine falcon that I also worked with and made a hairpiece out of. Again, for that, connecting to the energy of these things that it's intentional. All my jewelry is intentional. That's saying the ah whole um little eagle feathers on my earrings. And that was a roadkill that I picked up. And that day I was actually hanging out washing
00:59:17.77
Marie-Nicole
and there were two little eagles circling over the wash over the clothesline and we went out to the highway and there was a freshly hit little eagle and I said to my son like I wonder if that's one of the ones that I was just connecting with while I was hanging the washing so we brought it back home and a few days later we were driving out again and there was a another bird on the side of the road that I made hint because it was on the passenger side I said oh is that a kookaburra?
00:59:42.91
Marie-Nicole
And he's like, I don't know, let's pull over and have a look. He said, it looks like a falcon. And that was a peregrine falcon. So I was like, right.
00:59:48.36
Karen Seinor
Wow.
00:59:49.30
Marie-Nicole
We took it back home and put it in a container. And I'll tend to that later. I said, it's such a shame it wasn't a kookaburra. I've never had a kookaburra. And he's like, oh, Mum. And I was like, I was kind of hoping it was a kookaburra.
01:00:00.95
Marie-Nicole
So we went into town, did what we needed to. And we were driving back on the other side of the highway, turning off into our street um into the main road that comes to our street. And there on the side of the road was a kookaburra.
01:00:13.10
Karen Seinor
Wow.
01:00:13.14
Marie-Nicole
And I was like, look at that, there's a kookaburra. And he's like, oh mum, now you're actually manifesting dead birds. And I was like, the universe is gifting them to me.
01:00:23.72
Marie-Nicole
Because they know that I have so much respect. And so I ended up making a hairpiece with a peregrine falcon and the kookaburra.
01:00:27.07
Karen Seinor
You must have needed that medicine, hey?
01:00:33.22
Marie-Nicole
And yeah.
01:00:35.67
Marie-Nicole
Oh, I haven't had dead bird since just fall into my lap like that.
01:00:35.85
Karen Seinor
For them to...
01:00:40.02
Marie-Nicole
But you know, I did the dream arc, which is all about connecting and right brain intuition and connecting to the wild you animal kingdom. And so these animals have a lot of meaning to me because they send me messages that I need at the time.
01:00:55.79
Marie-Nicole
And so including that in my jewelry is a part of that.
01:00:56.02
Karen Seinor
yeah yeah yeah no well we've got something extra special well about the book now if somebody wants to get a copy where do they go
01:00:58.47
Marie-Nicole
It's reminding me of strength when i needed or farsightedness or yeah whatever it is so yeah i don't even think i included those stories in the book but yeah yes it's through my website so it is an e-book at the moment i actually i have the consideration of turning it into a little guide book or an actual paper copy that you can keep
01:01:29.68
Marie-Nicole
in your bag because in the book I also have little recommendations of what to consider when you're making a purchase and also the measurement card if you want to get things made for you by a sewer.
01:01:29.98
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
01:01:36.85
Karen Seinor
Yeah.
01:01:43.45
Marie-Nicole
I've even recommended like you can reach out to a fabric store that sells ethical fabrics or remnant fabrics and and get a sewer to make garments for you if you don't sew yourself.
01:01:54.12
Marie-Nicole
So I used to do that through my store so that's why the measurement card was he was put in there. I used to give my customer, and I take all their measurements, keep it on file, and then they could order from afar. So on the website, um I'll give you a link to include if you'd like to put that in your show notes.
01:02:08.04
Karen Seinor
Yeah, great, thank you. yeah yeah Do you want to just say the name of the website for the recording note?
01:02:10.61
Marie-Nicole
It's, yeah.
01:02:15.04
Marie-Nicole
Yeah, so it's creativesnest.com.au. Creatives being, and it's no apostrophes, it's all one word, creativesnest.com.au.
01:02:25.96
Karen Seinor
Thank you for that.
01:02:26.22
Marie-Nicole
Yeah.
01:02:27.72
Karen Seinor
All right, we've probably talked our little toes off, I'd say.
01:02:32.22
Marie-Nicole
Yes.
01:02:33.09
Karen Seinor
and You know, I'd just say thank you so much for your time today. It's been really, really great chatting with you and I love the stories. It's super cool. And yeah, thank you so much for your time.
01:02:44.89
Marie-Nicole
Yeah, thank you. It's such a pleasure. It's clearly something I'm passionate about, so more than happy to talk ah about it.
01:02:51.81
Karen Seinor
Beautiful, beautiful.
Marie-Nicole
Yeah, thank you.
Karen Seinor
All right, I reckon we'll end up chatting again one of these days, not too distant future.
Marie-Nicole
Thank you. Absolutely.